I read with great interest your web pages on Bolch family geneology. My name is John Boliek and I live near Wilmington, Delaware. My cousin Lynn Boliek in California told me several months ago that you had some interesting Web pages on the Bolch family. My computer has been on the fritz so I haven't been in contact until now. I recognized many of the names in your family lineage and am becoming more interested in my own as I become older. Believe you have the distinction of being my most distant living blood relative (that I know of!) Also believe I have some information that may be useful to you
First of all, we are 5th cousins if my calculations are correct ! Your great, great, great grandfather (Johann Casper Bolch) and my great, great, great grandfather (Jacob Bolch) were brothers, both sons of Johann Adam Bolch who immigrated from the Palatinate region of Germany with his wife Christine Haun in 1753.
Jacob, the oldest and my ancestor (b.1751) was born before they left Germany. I have a fair amount of information on my direct lineage, but would love to know more. Believe our relationship looks like this :
Johann Adam Bolch (arrived 1753)
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yours | (mine)
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Johann Casper Bolch/ (Jacob Bolch)
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Johann Casper, Jr./ (Abraham Boliek)
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Logan Bolch/ (Anderson Boliek)
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Jefferson Anthony Bolch/ (Abner Lafayette Boliek)
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Jefferson Augustus Bolch/ (Leo Ernest Boliek)
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Thomas Jefferson Bolch/ (John Ernest Boliek)
you / (me)
I believe the name change from Bolch to Boliek in my lineage took place after Jacob, based on sketchy records.
A little "bio" on me: I was born in 1941 in Washington, D.C. where my father Leo was working in the Federal government.
We moved to Michigan when I was a teenager and I went to University of Michigan and then to Duke to do a PhD. in Chemistry (1966). I have been working as a research scientist with the DuPont Company in Wilmington for the past 31 years.
I have two children, Andrew (14) and Alison (11) and my wife Carolyn.
My father, Leo, recently died at age 101. He was from around Hickory, graduated Lenoir Rhyne College (class of 1915) and did some grad work at UNC after returning from WWI.
Dad was the family Historian and had many stories about his grandfather (Anderson Boliek) who was also in the Civil war with his brother Alexander (1st and 2nd Bull Run - A. P. Hill's regiment). Anderson was a farmer in Alexander County (across the Catawba) which was later flooded after the dam was built. Of course I never lived in Hickory (nor NC for that matter except to go to Duke) but I did have an uncle, Luther Boliek, (deceased 1982) one of my dad's younger brothers who stayed in Hickory all his life and was co-owner of the West Deal clothing store for men in Hickory. He was also very active in civic affairs - you may have heard his name.
Anyway I could go on and on. Dad remembered lots of details about his grandfather Anderson Boliek (which I have written down) but his great grandfather, Abraham, died in 1872 twenty years before dad was born.
Anyway, I do have a copy of the Will of Jacob Bolch, Abraham's father and Johann Adam Bolch his father (which you have on your Web pages). I also have the names of all the siblings of Jacob, Abraham and Anderson Boliek and most of their wives if you are interested.
Have you received any new information on family history from people who have read your Web pages ?
Best regards,
John Boliek - JERNESTB@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, Jul 30, 1997 5:06 PM EDT
X-From: earcuri@twave.net (Elsie Arcuri)
To: ThomasB452@aol.com
Just came across your page on Logan BOLCH site and of course the name caught my eye. I am a descendent of Johan Adam>Sebastian>John>Phillip Alfred>Christian Frederick>Mary Jane Bolick. (my grandmother)
What really caught my eye was the name Logan BOLCH. This would be the same Logan BOLCH, I am sure, that had a funeral preached the same day as my g-ggrandfather Phillip Alfred BOLCH, on Jan 1 1865.......? But I have no idea whether Phillip was in the Civil War or not, as my research has been on the MARLOW line.
I don't understand why, that when I wrote to the National Archives 3 times, I was told each time that Confederate Records were not kept at the National Archives. But yet, you and countless others say that they have received Confederate records from the National Archives. And yes, I did fill out the NATF Form 80. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Elsie
mailto:earcuri@twave.net
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Date: Sun, Jul 20, 1997 11:25 PM EDT
From: mikey7569@webtv.net
To: ThomasB452@aol.com
Hi! I've been working on and off with my family tree and it hasn't gone very far. Mainly because I let it slide for a few months, which in turn became years. But my family settled in North Mecklenburg many years ago. I believe they may have come from Lincoln County, but I can't find a confirmation.
I did go to the Charlotte Library and found a few names and even pictures of some Bolick's who happened to be in the Civil War. Even some of the rosters of Confederate military listed some Bolick's, but I've been trying to link my great great grandfather with his father.
My great grandfather's name was Fletcher Sylvanius (spelling?) Bolick. My great grandmother was a Chester. They are buried, along with his parents, whose name escapes me right now, in Mt.Zion cemetery in Cornelius, NC (home of Meck. Co's only Confederate statue). Oh, my name is Michael Shane Bolick, my father is Paul Wayne who works for an electric co. I have two twin sisters and one older brother.
If you have any advice about how I can go about connecting family branches, it sure would be appreciated.
Thanks again!
Mikey (Michael Shane Bolick). TO e-mail Mikey, click mikey7569@webtv.net.
I was born in Charlotte, N.C. in 1939, but have lived in Newport News, Virginia for the last 36 years. I graduated from East Mecklenburg High School, attended N.C. State, and graduated with an engineering degree in 1961. Since 1961 I have been employed as an engineer with Newport News Shipbuilding. During a leave of absence from my employer in 1968 I attended graduate school at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, and received a Master of Science degree in engineering.
About 30 years ago I had begun some research on the Bolick branch of my family. This was a brief effort, and I have not done any significant amount of genealogical research since about 1969. Older members of my family had stated that the Bolicks in Mecklenburg County had come from the Hickory area. My mother, her two brothers and two sisters are deceased. There may be some older distant Bolick relatives living in Mecklenburg County but I am not aware of them.
On the positive side, I do have some information from cemetery and church records, and information from census records, that span Bolicks for six generations in Mecklenburg County. I still have occasional contact with several of my cousins that are Bolick descendants.
I am very interested in knowing if you have encountered Noah Bolick in your researches, and his roots in the Hickory area.
Noah Bolick is listed in the 1860 census as a head of the household in Mecklenburg County, in the Sharon Township. The census record states that he and his wife Rebecca were both thirty one years old, and lists his profession as Blacksmith. Three children are listed: Mag (7), William (5), and Amanda (3).
Rebecca is buried in the church cemetery of the Sharon Presbyterian Church. The headstone reads "Farewell Rebecca, wife of N. Bolick, died April 13, 1882, aged 52 years and 10 months." Noah is believed to be buried beside her in a grave marked only by a natural stone. The church, on the southeast side of Charlotte, was established about 1830, and was attended by numerous descendants of Noah Bolick.
I could not find Noah in the 1850 census in either Mecklenburg or Catawba County. I did not pursue the search to adjoining counties.
I will be glad to provide you with other information I have. It is not extensive, but can provide the framework and direction for other lines of investigation. I have good records, but it will take me some will take me some time to organize into a coherent package.
To e-mail Roy Hoffman, click rehofman@erols.com.
Roy:
Thanks for all the information in your note. I am continually gathering information about the family and, unfortunately, have not had the luxury of putting it all together. As soon as I get a chance, I will share what information I have about the Mecklenburg branch. I would also appreciate any more information you have. I see that you visited the Bolch part of my site. Did you also see Logan Bolch's story at www.isocks.com? By the way, my grandmother on my mother's side was a Huffman, a sister of Bert Huffman of Granite Falls.
Best regards. Thomas J. Bolch
I did indeed see Logan Bolchís story and the various linked sites. Obviously you put a substantial effort into that single piece of research. I found it especially interesting because of an interest Ihave in the Civil War.
I understand from some other genealogy work, that my Hoffman ancestor settled in what is now Gaston County in the late 1700ís, and that his brother settled in what is now Catawba County. The Gaston County descendants seem to spell the name with an "o"whereas I believe many of the Catawba descendants spell it with a "u".
I expect that if you have been active in genealogical research in the Catawba area you have encountered a book entitled"The Hoffman's of North Carolina," by Max Ellis Hoffman, published in 1938. In addition to the Hoffman/Huffman genealogy, several family connections to Bolch's are mentioned. (Max Ellis Hoffman adopted the spellings of "Hoffman" and "Bolick" in the book). On page 57 the book states "Julia (Julianna) Hoffman, m. Casper Bolick, son of the Revolutionary hero, Casper Bolick, Sr. on April 17, 1835." Certainly sounds like your ancestors!! Their descendants are not listed, but Julia's lineage can be found for many generations earlier.
My grandparents, Layfayette Hoffman and Nancy Parker are listed on page 137.
Forgive me for rambling, in case you are familiar with the book. If however you are not familiar with the book and would like more information, and cannot locate a copy, let me know. I own a copy and will gladly supply more information from it.
Roy Hoffman 7/20/97
My branch as follows:
1. Jacob Bolch- born 1751 son of Johan Adam Bolch
Jacob Bolch married Maria Salome Grimes in 1775, Born in Germany 1751
Children: Adam Bolch, Daniel Bolch, Christina Bolch,Catherina Bolch, David Bolch, Jacob Bolch, Sarah Bolch and Abram Bolch
2. My next generation followed the above Daniel Bolch who married Susanah Simon 21 Jan 1811
Children: Daniel Bolch Jr., Elizabeth Bolch, and Franklin Bolch
3. Franklin Bolch born 21 Apr 1821 married Anna Cline born 22 May 1879
Children: Caroline, Cicero, Gilbert, Joshua Davidson Bolick, Lewis Bolick, Caleb W. Bolick, and Sarah A. Bolick
Please visit my sister's homepage at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2556/ She has some information on the branch of Bolieks that left from North Carlolina and settled around West Virginia.
My mother, Lois Annette Boliek, was born 1936 and married Elbert P. Hall. She was the daugther of Cecil Iray Boliek born 1905 and Died 1960, his wife Maggie Mae Wintz born in 1903 is still living today.
Sidney Boliek born 1881 and died 1957 married a Candance B. Miller born 1847. They married 1872.
- -Franklin Bolch, born 1821, died 1904 and Anne Cline, born 1821 and died 1821
- -Daniel Bolch, born 1784 and Susanah Simon, born 1786
- -Jacob Bolch, born in Germany 1751 and married Maria Salome Grimes
Jacob Bolch was the branch my family took, and he would of been the bother to Johan Adam Bolch who was born 1755.
What interested me more was your page on the Bolch family history. I am descended from the Bolick/Bolch family myself. My grandmother is Bonnie Bolick Parsley. Unfortunately, she has reached an age where she can provide little information about the family. Being a historian, I am eager to find out as much as I can about the family's past.
I am not sure how much information you have compiled on the Bolchs, but will give you what _little_ bit I know. The branch of the family I come from moved into what is now Yancey County sometime before the Civil Warand settled in a small community known as Celo. My great-great grandfather (I forget his first name) served in the 58th North Carolina Regiment in the Army of Tennessee. Sometime in the late 19th or early 20th century, part of the family moved to McDowell County, settling about 10 miles southwest of Marion. (If you are interested, I will try to get more information on these people when I visit my parents inMorganton next week.)
It seems ironic that our paths would cross in such a fashion. I am originally from Morganton and also graduated from law school at UNC (1981). What makes it seem even stranger is the fact that I am writing a history of how the Civil War affected the different families andcommunities in Raliegh.
If I can pass on any information that might help your efforts, please let me know.
Sincerely,
David H. McGee.University of Georgia
TO e-mail David, click MCGEEDH@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU.
I descend through Johan Casper, Sr although through his son Solomon.
My descendancy looks like this:
Johan Adam Bolch and Anna Christina
Johan Casper Bolch/Bolick and Maria Magdalena Deal
Solomon Bolch and Elizabeth Bolch*
Ephriam Lawrence Bolch, Sr. and Matilda Letitia Green
Ephriam Lawrence Bolch, Jr. and Sally Emeline Propst
Bessie Vell Bolch and Dobbins W. Walker
Thurza Mae Walker and John Willis
Melanie Ann Willis and Kevin Coyl
I also descend through Sebastian as follows:
Johan Adam Bolch and Anna Christina
Sebastian Bolch and Hanna Margaret Heffner
John Bolch and (name unknown)
Elizabeth Bolch and Solomon Bolch*
Ephriam Lawrence Bolch, Sr. and Matilda Letitia Green
Ephriam Lawrence Bolch, Jr. and Sally Emeline Propst
Bessie Vell Bolch and Dobbins W. Walker
Thurza Mae Walker and John Willis
Melanie Ann Willis and Kevin Coyl
* This is where cousins married cousins and the line crosses.
My mother grew up in Chesnee, South Carolina but after the death of both of her parents she left to attend college. She married my father and they have lived most of their married lives in Concord, California which is near San Francisco. That is where I was raised. My husband and I and our children currently live in Michigan near Pontiac although Kevin is also from California. We have three children.
I have been dabbling in genealogy for several years but just started really getting into it about a year ago. I love the internet because it has allowed me to make tremendous progress in a short period of time.
The biggest problem I have is too much information on too many lines at the same time. (I'm not complaining--my mother is amazed at what we've learned and how our tree has grown. On my husband's line I posted a query on Tuesday and on Wednesday received a GEDCOM with 509 names that expanded my tree by four generations!) The Bolch line has frustrated me many times because of the sketchy information I had. Before I attempt to research in Germany I want to have Johan Adam's descendants straightened out.
To contact Melanie, e-mail: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com
To: ThomasB452@aol.com
I found your site on the web. My name is Marion Bolick. I live in Fairfield County, SC in a little place called Blair which is near Winnsboro and Chester. I believe that we are distant cousins. My mother (deceased) was very active in family history. After seeing your site, I went and found her 'Bolick' book that she had compiled. Did not find you but found through your brothers, Charles and Glenn Alfred. I believe that I descend fromJohan Adam Bolch, Godfrey Bolch, Daniel Bolch, William Cephas Bolick, William Douglas Bolick, Sam Stevenson Bolick, and my deceased father Samuel Propst Bolick. I would be happy to share the information that I have if you are interested. She has done what appears to me is extensive work on the line. She loved it with a passion and was a looking for more information.
My mother said that I would be glad she did all her work one day and would become interested in it. I think I am beginning to understand what she meant.
I will photocopy my line back and mail it to you if you send me your address. About myself, I don't know what really to include. I am 39 yrs.old (the youngest of 4 children), wife is Denise, and have 2 girls - Anna (10) and Heather (6). I am a Grounds Superintendent at Richland Memorial Hospital in Columbia (43 miles away). Graduate of Morehead State University,Morehead, KY with BS in Horticulture. My wife works part time for a CPA in Winnsboro (20 miles). I live on the homeplace (320 acre farm) out in the country right next to my parents home. I have one brother, Sam, Grounds Superintendent at UNCC, Clemson graduate with BS in Horticulture, married (no children) and lives in Concord, NC; one sister, Linda Pitt, teacher in Union, SC, Lander College graduate, married with 3 children. My oldest brother, Larry, died 1/23/94. My father Sam died 6/1/94 and mother Sara died 7/6/95. My father was a retired rural mail carrier and mother was a homemaker and dedicated geneologist.
None of the information that I have is on computer. One of those things I wanted to do for my mother but never really made time. Is yours on computer and if so what program do you use as it would be a large task to do but I would like to eventually get all of her info on disk. I would think it would be a lot easier to share with others. She has information on all of the lines of Johan Adam Bolch although not complete that may be of help to you.
I just wish I had developed an interest in it while she was living like she wanted us to do. I think she would be fascinated with the internet and its possibilities.
Marion Bolick,Rt. 1 Box 216,Blair, SC 29015 (803) 635-6101(H) (803) 434-2626(W)
TO e-mail Marion, click MBOLICK@InfoAve.Net
Subj: 1900 Census
Date: Thu, Aug 14, 1997 6:51 AM EDT
From: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com
Is the Marcus Bolch born May 1851 the son of Jacob Bolch and Miriam M. Ries? This would make him the husband of Polly J. Bolch.
Emanuel Bolick seems to be the son of Abner Bolick and Nancy Windberger as the birth dates match up.
Jacob A. Bolick also seems to be the son of Abner Bolick and Nancy Windberger. The birthdate I have, which I took from the bible transcript, is abt 6 May 184_. The census lists it as May 1845.
Likewise Marcus Bolick and Rufus Bolick seem to be the sons of Abner Bolick and Nancy Windberger.
Could William Bolick be William H. Bolch son of Nathaniel A. Bolch who was born 11 Mar 1848?
Could Daniel Bolick be Daniel Pinkney Bolch son of Daniel Bolch and Frances Mahala Yount?
I haven't found any other matches yet. It would be easier if I could take all of my Balch/Bolch/Bolich/Bolick people and just be able to search on their first names.
Melanie Coyl
Subj: Abner Bolch
Date: Tue, Aug 12, 1997 11:23 PM EDT
From: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com
Abner Bolch is a great-grandson of Johan Adam Bolch, Sr. His lineage, acording to my records goes like this.
1. Johan Adam Sr. m. Anna Christina
2. Jacob Bolch m. Maria Salone Grimes
3. Abram Bolch or Balch m. Christina Hawn
4. Abner Balch m. Nancy Wineberger
Does anyone have any different information?
Melanie Coyl
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Subj: Bolch Descendants
Date: Sat, Aug 16, 1997 9:25 PM EDT
From: JCowan@prodigy.net
Since several people have emailed how they are related to Johan Adam Bolch and Anna Christina ? from Germany, I thought I'd do the same to see if there is anyone working on the same lines as I am. I descend from 4 different lines that go back to Johan Adam Bolch via his sons Jacob and Johan Casper. My maternal great- grandparents both descended from Johan Adam Bolch (although they more than likely had no idea that they were distantly related to the same ancestor).
My family switched their names from Bolch to eventually Boliek. All
of my family of Bolieks were born and raised in and around
Hickory/Granite Falls, NC areas.
Here is my line (it goes in 4 lines back to Johan Adam Bolch due to intermarriage of cousins in some areas-
I put stars by where it branches off or changes):
LINE 1:
Johan Adam Bolch m. Anna Christina ?
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Jacob Bolch m. Maria Salome Grimes
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Daniel Boliek m. Susanah K. Simon *
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Franklin Boliek m. Anna Cline
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Joshua Davidson Boliek m. Candance B. Miller
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Sidney Gilbert Boliek m. Minnie L. Cline
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Cecil Iray Boliek m. Maggie Mae Wintz
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Lois Annette Boliek m. Elbert Preston Hall
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Janet Arlene Hall m. Christopher Gregory Cowan
LINE 2:
Johan Adam Bolch m. Anna Christina ?
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Johan Casper Bolch m. Marie Magdelena Deal *
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Francis "Fannie" Bolch m. Frederick Miller
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Caleb Miller m. Susanah ?
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Candance B. Miller m. Joshua Davidson Boliek
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Sidney Gilbert Boliek m. Minnie L. Cline
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Cecil Iray Boliek m. Maggie M. Wintz
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Lois A. Boliek m. Elbert P. Hall
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Janet A. Hall m. Christopher G. Cowan
LINE 3:
Johan Adam Bolch m. Anna Christina ?
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Jacob Bolch m. Maria Salome Grimes
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Christina Bolch m. John Miller *
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Frederick Miller m. Francis " Frannie" Bolch **
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Caleb Miller m. Susanah ?
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Candance B. Miller m. Joshua D. Boliek
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Sidney Gilbert Boliek m. Minnie L. Cline
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Cecil I. Boliek m. Maggie M. Wintz
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Lois A. Boliek m. Elbert P. Hall
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Janet Arlene Hall m. Christopher G. Cowan
LINE 4:
Johan Adam Bolch m. Anna Christina ?
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Jacob Bolch m. Maria Salome Grimes
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Christina Bolch m. John Miller *
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Priscilla Miller m. Solomon Eckard **
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Fredonna Senora Eckard m. Jefferson "Jess" Cline
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Minnie L. Cline m. Sidney G. Boliek
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Cecil I. Boliek m. Maggie M. Wintz
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Lois A. Boliek m. Elbert P. Hall
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Janet A. Hall m. Christopher G. Cowan
Some of the people that married into my particular Boliek lines are: Miller, Cline, Eckard, Diehl/Deal, Wintz, Hall. Would you have any more info. on any of the above people and their descendants? I wouldbe more than happy to trade info. with anyone. Sidney Boliek (my great grandfather had 4 brothers: W. A. Boliek of Decatur, IL, M.L. Boliek of Clew, VA, T.F. Boliek of Hickory, NC, and A.O.Boliek of Clemson, NC (?SC) and 3 sisters: Mrs. Anna Boliek Diehl, Mrs.H.D. Heavener, and Mrs. A.L. Miller all of Hickory, NC. This is according to his obituary from 2/28/1957. On my homepage located athttp://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2556/ I have a Boliek section with photos of Sidney and Minnie (Cline) Boliek.
Jcowan@prodigy.net
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Subj: Bolch Genealogy
Date: Thu, Aug 7, 1997 6:18 PM EDT
X-From: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com (Coyl)
Hi family!
I have just completed a major update of the Bolch Genealogy web site. I have added a page for researchers and one for reunions so send in your information. The genealogy information was also updated. I have tried to add in everyone's lineage--unfortunately I neglected to include my information!! (For everyone's information Bessie Vell Bolch is my grandmother.)
Please stop by and take a look. If I haven't included your lineage, please send it to me and I'll get it up as soon as possible. Also, if you see a typo let me know.
Cynthia, how do you feel about including Abner Bolick's Bible on the web site?
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Melanie Coyl
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Subj: Bolch Researchers List
Date: Tue, Jul 29, 1997 10:16 AM EDT
From: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com
Hi everyone,
The url for my Bolch Genealogy page is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2953. I really am trying to update the page--if for no other reason than I'm tired of snow! Anyway, everytime I think I'm ready to load an update I get more information that needs to be included. If there is enough interest, and I get permission from everyone, I will include a page listing the names and e-mail addresses of other Bolch researchers regardless of whether they are related to Johan Adam. I will also include snail mail and phone numbers for those that wish. However, I will not post this information without written approval from each of you.
If owning a list is really as easy as James Green says it is I would also be willing to become a listowner. There are several of you out there that seem to know more about lists than I do. I do belong toseveral lists that have been very helpful on other lines. It would definitely be a way of increasing our exposure.
Since I already have a Bolch site up and running (most of the time at least<G>) I would be willing to be a clearing house of sorts where we can all post our Bolch information on line.
My mother was born in Chesnee, South Carolina but has lived in California for nearly 40 years and I live in Michigan so I don't have access to the books and articles you have written. It would be most benificial for you to attach a GEDCOM to an e-mail. I could then add it to the database and convert it to HTML so it could be viewed on the web.
Several months ago I copied part of the 1939 book "The Bolich Family in America" by Mary Margaret Bolich from microfilm. (Not a great copy but a wonderful resource none the less.) I have transcribed parts of the book and they are included on my webpage. At the Andreas Bolich reunion I asked who owned the copyright to the book and if there was any problem in me putting it on the web. No one seemed to know exactly who owned the copyright as the writer has been dead for many years. However, they were very pleased that people were still interested and readily gave their collective blessing for it to be published on the web.
Sorry this is so long. I have been reading all the messages in the last few days but haven't been able to respond. Since it's summer the kids are home and they think they should get to use the computer occasionally. I love having them home but it certainly has upset my routine. I suggest that any responses be made to the entire group/list so we can all stay up to date on everyone's feelings and opinions.
Melanie Coyl
674 McGill Drive
Rochester Hills, MI 48309
(248) 375-1060
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Subj: List,fixed Tom,new Bolick,Alsace Lorraine
Date: Wed, Aug 13, 1997 2:48 PM EDT
From: jameswgreen@juno.com
The talk & finger daemons are case sensitive, but as the internet tools (protocols) disappear, no one uses those any more (more's the pity). The path & file part of web urls are case sensitive.
Have you all noticed how many Tom Bol* we have?!
B, Thomas ThomasB452@AOL.Com
Bolch, Thomas J. BolchT@ind.Commerce.State.NC.US
Bolick, Tom TBolick@erols.Com
ThomasB, what is your surname & middle initial?
Tom Bolick, what is your middle initial?
As you all can see, I am a big fan of giving more of my name in signatures & having signature lines in email that give snail, phone, & url. I would not have to give all this in my signature if finger servers were common still & if everyone had a finger client. Now, almost no one has heard of finger.
Juno has no finger server. The only address I have that has a finger server is green@usceast.cs.sc.edu and my freenet account. Too bad the freenets have mostly died. They had aspects of internet that the web intensive modern providers have lost, like gopher, archie, veronica, finger, talk, ping ...
I miss my unix prompt. I guess telnet & ftp are on the way out.
So you all please use signature lines until we get web pages to show snail & phone & your url until someone gets this & our lineages on the web. I can only suggest this. Perhaps not all providers build signature lines into their mail facility.
Here is a new Bolick for you all to add to your address books:
Cloninger, Agnes E. Agvwc@aol.com Boise, ID
Her husband is from Adam Bolick Jr. of old Lincoln Co. NC area.
Who is going to do a list for us???????? When????
I am hesitant to volunteer because I have too many irons in the fire already. I am behind on the Killian, Hargraves, & McCallum lineages web pages. So I am patiently waiting for someone to start a list & web pages for Bolick.
I for one appreciate all the offers that people have made.
Cynthia Bolick Gilbert wrote 4 of us (Sue VanNess, Jim Winfrey,
J Cowan, & me)1 Aug 1997: "The question of where Adam and Christina were from is an old one. My mother has a copy of the book that is constantly being mentioned in the latest emails and while very good and informative we shouldn't think that it is the definitive answer to all of our questions. My family lore has consistantly stated that Adam was from the A-L area of Germany which depending on the maps and who won the wars was in either France or Germany. I have been looking at books at the library on German history and the line was always changing. Also, while going through a file at the Catawba County Historical Society I found a photo copy of Abner Bolick's family Bible. The marriage and death pages stated that Adam was born in the Vosgues Mountain area of Germany (now France) and that his first son was born there. I'll try to find the copy in my files and copy on email for everyone. I just returned from Catawba County where my mom lives about 20 miles from Adam's stomping grounds. Most of the area is still pristine. Every time I stand on the banks of Lyles Creek which is mentioned in all of the land deeds of Adam I think of our ancestors and wonder if they thought of home.
I look forward to sharing info and data with everyone.
Cynthia Bolick Gilbert
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Is Abner Bolick a grandson of Adam Bolch Sr. or what? The relationship & date the Bible was published bear on the weight we should place on this info. This is the best evidence I have heard so far but need to know who Abner is & the Bible date. Looking in the Hammond atlas I see on the France map that the Vosges are on the border between the German states of Alsace & Lorraine. I call them German because they spoke German when our ancestors were there.
I see Lyles Creek on the 1886 map of Catawba Co in Catawba Co.
Heritage. I guess there are about 10 BOLCHs on that map.
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James W. Green III / Rt.5, Box 720 / Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home:803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/9389
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Subj: Re: Abner Bolch
Date: Wed, Aug 13, 1997 3:57 PM EDT
From: jameswgreen@juno.com
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:55:21 -0400 Coyl <kcoyl@ees.eesc.com> writes:
>Abner Bolch is a great-grandson of Johan Adam Bolch, Sr. His lineage, acording to my records goes like this.
>
>1. Johan Adam Sr. m. Anna Christina
> 2. Jacob Bolch m. Maria Salone Grimes
> 3. Abram Bolch or Balch m. Christina Hawn
> 4. Abner Balch m. Nancy Wineberger
>
>Does anyone have any different information?
Does anyone have Abner's dates? Did Abner & his wife write the words in the Bible about coming from the Vosges or does someone
else's handwriting appear there? What is the date the Bible
was published? Are there any Bolch's in the IGI from Alsace or
Lorraine the right age & named Adam or Johan? Are there any
Bolch or Balchs in that area at any time?
>--
>Melanie Coyl
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Subj: Re: Boston or Bostian Bolch
Date: Wed, Aug 13, 1997 4:01 PM EDT
From: jameswgreen@juno.com
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:21:47 -0400 Coyl <kcoyl@ees.eesc.com> writes:
>... Also, in reference to the 1790 census. I have heard that
>Sebastian was called Bostian or Boston because he was born when they were insight of Boston harbor. I have no idea if this story is
>correct. If the Neptune landed at Philadelphia would they have even
>come close to Boston?
>--
>Melanie Coyl
There was a Bastian Klein that signed the oaths in PA when he arrived. In NC this Bastian is oft typed up as Boston or Bostian Klein. Don't you think that PERHAPS the Germans pronounce "a" in Sebastian like the British pronounce the "a" in bath & can't like the "o" in box?
Since English is a Germanic language, perhaps I am guessing right.
Anyone know? The McCallums think that the American spelling McCollum is a phonetic spelling of MacCallum.
Don't you think boys named Sebastian are oft called Bastian? Would
they have named the boy, Sebastian because they were insight of
Boston & noting the words sound similar? That seems a stretch to me. I doubt Boston, MA has anything to do with his name.
I suppose that Boston might be on the great circle (shortest route)
from Cowes to Phila. Did the Neptune last clear Cowes like most
ships coming from Rotterdam? I wish I had bought S&H -- then maybe I could keep track of the PA passenger lists/oaths. My xeroxes are hard to keep up with. Maybe someone will put the oath signatures on the web & the typed version of our ship from S&H.
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Subj: Re: Early descendancy chart
Date: Thu, Aug 14, 1997 4:38 AM EDT
From: kcoyl@ees.eesc.com
I have attached my information on Johan Adam's children. The birth date on Godfrey (bef 1753) must be incorrect as that would make him the same age as Sebastian. I got the birthdate from Tim Cox and from Jim Winfrey so I would appreciate any additional information anyone has.
Also, in reference to the 1790 census. I have heard that Sebastian was called Bostian or Boston because he was born when they were in sight of Boston harbor. I have no idea if this story is correct. If the Neptune landed at Philadelphia would they have even come close to Boston?
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Melanie Coyl
Descendants of Johan Adam Bolch
First Generation
1. Johan Adam Bolch was born about 1728 in Germany. He died
after 13 Jan 1794 in Lincoln, North Carolina.
Johan married (1) Anna Christina. Anna was born about 1728.
They had the following children:
2M i. Jacob Bolch was born 1751 in Germany. He died about
1823 in North Carolina, USA.
Jacob married (1) Maria Salome Grimes on 21 Mar
1775 in Rowan, North Carolina.
3M ii. Sebastian Bolch was born 1753 in on the high seas.
He died about 1822.
Sebastian married (1) Hanna Margaret Heffner on 18
Feb 1776 in Lincoln, North Carolina, USA.
4M iii. Johan Adam Bolch Jr. was born about 8 Jan 1755 in
Berk, Pennsylvania, USA and was christened 8 Feb
1755 in Schwarzwald, Berk, Pennsylvania, USA.
5M iv. Johan Casper Bolch or Bolick was born 26 Dec 1756
in Exeter Township, Berks, Pennsylvania, USA and
was christened 16 Feb 1757 in Schwarzwald, Berk,
Pennsylvania, USA. He died 27 Jul 1834 in Lincoln,
North Carolina.
Johan married (1) Maria Magdalena Deal on 28 Dec
1779 in Tryon, North Carolina, USA. Maria was born
15 Aug 1756 in Northampton, Pennsylvannia, USA. She
died 25 Nov 1839.
6M v. Godfrey Bolch was born before 1753 in Lincoln,
North Carolina, USA. He died before 19 Feb 1825 in
Catawba, North Carolina, USA.
Godfrey married (1) Catherine "Christine"
Treffenstatt, daughter of Christian Treffenstatt
and Maria or Mary Barbary (Barbara) Eckard or
Eckart. Catherine was born 1763 in Pennsylvannia,
USA. She died before 1813 in North Carolina, USA.
7F vi. Christina Bolch was born 1780.
Christina married (1) Frederick Treffenstatt, son
of Christian Treffenstatt and Maria or Mary Barbary
(Barbara) Eckard or Eckart before 1790. Frederick
was born 1757 in Pennsylvannia, USA. He died Nov
1814 in Carter, Tennessee, USA.
Christina also married (2) Granias Trefflested.
8F vii. Elizabeth Bolch.
From kcoyl@ees.eesc.com Tue Aug 12 17:23:53 1997
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Subj: Re: Godfrey Bolch Sr.'s birth date
Date: Sun, Aug 17, 1997 9:43 AM EDT
From: jameswgreen@juno.com
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:14:12 -0400 (EDT) JimWinfrey@aol.com writes:
>Melanie, I don't know when Godfrey was born. For several years we
>thought he was Johan Adam's oldest son, probably because Johan, in
>his will, leaves the bulk of his estate to Godfrey and it was
>customary to leave the estate to the oldest son. I've seen info
>lately that he may have been born after Johan arrived in PA but
>I'm not aware of any records to substantiate either way.
Sometimes parents give the older kids their share earlier via
deeds & so this may indicate Godfrey was one of the younger sons.
Most of you all probably have this, but a reminder of the following
may help. This is not proof, but Page 103 of the 1939 Bolch book lists the kids in this order:
"The children of Johan Adam Bolch and his wife, Christina, were:
Jacob; Sebastian; Adam; Caspar, Godfrey, Christiana; and
Elizabeth."
Page 106 of the 1939 Bolch book says:
"Hiram Smith Balch, of Hickory, N.C., a descendant of Johan Adam
Balch, Jr. says that Jacob Bolick and Godfrey Bolick also served
in the War of Independence, and that the records of such service
are to be found at the North Carolina Historical Society in
Raleigh. He further states that Johan Adam Bolch brought with
him to this country, his wife, Anna Christina, and one son,
Jacob, who had been born to them in Germany about 1751. A
second son, Sebastian, was born while they were crossing the
ocean. They arrived in North Carolina about 1760, he says, and
settled near what is now Conover. In the Census of 1790 his
family consisted of one male over 16 years, and 4 free white
females."
I am told 911 wants us to name our streets because people can
remember names better than numbers, so I guess it is to be
expected that Hiram would not get the date (1753) perfect & we
should still trust the rest of his story.
If Hiram is right, the list on page 103 is in birth order for
Jacob & Sebastian. The baptism records on page 101 say Adam
Jr. was bapt. 24 Sep 1755 aged 4 weeks & Caspar 16 Feb 1757
aged 7 weeks. That puts Adam & Caspar in the right order &
leaves Godfrey to be born last. Continuing every 2 years,
we could make Godfrey b.1759 Christiana 1761 & Elizabeth 1763.
We can switch Godfrey to being born 1763 & move Elizabeth up
and Godfrey would be 17 in 1780 when a lot of the Revolution
was underway. If we leave him born 1759, then he is 21 in
1780 & a little better age to fight. If we knew how early
he entered the revolution from war records in Raleigh, it
might force him to be older than his sisters. Either way,
by 1790 he is old enough he should not be in his dad's home
as shown by the census extract above -- all the boys were out
of the home & only Adam Sr. was left at home. Godfrey would
be 27 to 31. We do have an extra female in the home. Would
that be a daughter that died young enough that everyone forgot
her?
Are you all wondering why Sebastian & Adam Jr. were not in the
Rev.? I am guessing they were neutral or tories. Has anyone
found the military record of Jacob & Godfrey? Is the 1790
census extracted correctly above? When do the sons 1st appear
in the census?
> For now, I'm leaving my file as "Bef 1753". If any of my
>cousins out there have any better data, please let us know.
>Jim
I had never given Godfrey Sr. a birth date, but am thinking
about giving him ca.1759.
Jacob b.1751 per Hiram
Sebastian b.1753 per Hiram
Adam b.1755 per bapt.
Casper b.1757 per bapt.
Godfrey b.1759 (cause not mentioned earlier by Hiram so this is
as early as we can put him & matches order given on page 103.
Christiana b.1761 \/ Matches order given on page 103 & young age
Elizabeth b.1763 /\ makes them more likely home in 1790 as
\census shows.
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James W. Green III / Rt.5, Box 720 / Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home:803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
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Subj: Re: Letters to David Bolick in Des Moines Iowa
Date: Wed, Jul 30, 1997 7:13 AM EDT
From: savvied@prodigy.net
Hi to all:
James pointed out all the typos in my notes. They were copied from file cards my grandmother had written from the Bolich Family in America. I typed that info 3 - 4 yrs ago. Sorry, I never ran it through spell checker or read it closely recently.
I pulled out my copy of the book (Yes I have a real copy). My grandmother family notes were in it, with a lot quoted from the book, The Bolich Family in America. I was looking for documentation for where I found the info on where Johan Adam was from. (I'll find it someday, but don't recall, since it was entered sereral years ago, and I did not document it when I entered in my computer. (I do now though)
Joanne of special interest to you: I also found hand copied copies of letters sent to David Bolch (Bolick) in Des Moines, Iowa. (I may have the originals too) (My grandmother's notes say David lived in Mediapolis, Iowa when the letters were written. David m 1815 Rachael Simon and went to Iowa before 1847. --My grandmother got that information, and more, from a Mr. Heffner of Hickory North Carolina, who was then president of the Catawba Co. Historical Society. He was descended from Elizabeth Bolick b 1785 and Phillip Heffner. Elizabeth dau of Casper Bolick)
two were sent at the same time:
To David and Rachel Bolch Des Moines County State of Iowa Burlington P O
from Daniel Bolch and Susannah Bolch
State of North Carolina Catawba County July the 17 day 1848
the letter has subtitles "Health", "Marriages", "Crops".
"Marriages"
"We must now say to you that our family is all married off and left us but the three youngest - one son and two daughters left.
All your wifes connexion (not a typo :>) is enjoying a reasonable protion of good health at this time except Daniel Simmons he has labored under a tedious spell of the fever ever since corn planting time until now and has just recovered so far as to wolk about the house.
Your Old Sister Sally requests some intelligence about her son Moses Bolch. If he is about there she wants him to write to her immediately and if he should not be there she wants you to give her the best information concerning him that you can.
Now with painful feelings we must inform you that our old brother Adam Deceased this life some time last fall we expecting you never had heard of it. We have no doubt of meeting him at the great rising day.".....
" I will now inform you that I feel no change in regards to my crippleage since I wrote to you before." ......
Daniel Bolch and Susannah Bolch
From Abraham Bolch and Christiana Bolch Alexander County North Carolina th17 of July A.D. 1848
subtitles: "Health", "(Marriage)", "(Distemper)", "(The face of our County)", "(Market)"
"(Marriage)"
Now we must inform you that we have seven children married and left us five yet living with us. Two sons and three daughters. My son Alexander is yet living with me an John is married and left me------We will leave our own connexion and speak on the friends. Now I must inform you that a few days back I seen Old David Bowman and two of Old Daniels Sons. David and fiamily was all well at that time but Old Daniel was somewhat unwell at that time. Both Daniel and David still remain widowers and so far as respects crops I cannot complain......
......Your loving brother and sister until death."
Abraham Bolch and Christiana Bolch Alexander County Wittenberg P.O.
Another letter to David Bolick Des Moines County State of Iowa Burlington P.O.
this letter is from my great great grandfather Henry Bolick in Indiana, Clay County to his Uncle David February the 14th 1858
Dear Uncle ..... I received a letter from cousin Franklin from North Carolina stating that you was living in Iowa and I write you these few lines to let you know where I am. I reckon you will want toknow who I am my name is Henry Bolick a son fo Jacob Bolick and Rebecka Bolick my brother George is in Missouri Levi is in California Abraham is living here sister Mahala is living here my father has been dead about 18 or 20 years my mother has been dead 25 or 30 years I am living in Clay County Indiana...." Henry Bolick
I know this is a lot, but some will be interested in the information in these letters.
Sue VanNess
savvied@prodigy.net
Hope your day is bright and full of hope
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tbolick@erols.com.
>1 James W. Green III <JamesWGreen@Juno.Com>
>2 Jim Winfrey <JimWinfrey@AOL.Com>
>3 Janet Cowan <JCowan@Prodigy.Net>
>4 Adrian Bolch <Adrian@Prodigy.Net>
>5 Jeff Bolch Prodigy <SJBolch@Prodigy.Net>
>6 Jeff Bolch MSN <taffydimer@MSN.Com>
>7 Thomas J. Bolch <ThomasB452@aol.com>
>8 Tom Bolick <tbolick@erols.com>
>9 Cynthia Bolick Gilbert <CBGilbert@AOL.Com>
>10 Dell Bennett <IRBennett@Prodigy.Net>
>11 Carolyn B <CarolynB@awod.Com>
>12 D Garret <DGarret419@AOL.Com>
>13 G Bol <GBOL@ix.NetCom.Com>
>14 litlfin <LitlFin@NanoSecond.Com>
>16 Sue VanNess <savvied@Prodigy.Net>
>17 Thomas B <ThomasB452@aol.com>(same person as 7)
>18 Thursday Handleigh <Thursday.Handleigh@UKOnLine.Co.UK>
>19 72712.2651 <72712.2651@CompuServe.Com>
>20 Tracey Cline <TCline1582@AOL.Com>
>21 Coyl <kcoyl@ees.eesc.Com>
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Subj: Reunion ideas from Culps
Date: Tue, Aug 12, 1997 3:42 AM EDT
X-From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green II)
Below you may find ideas for the Bolch reunion since that reunion is for Adam Bolch a PA German immigrant. The ideas come from the report of the Culp/Kolb Reunion which reunion was in PA recently.
>From: KTNV00A@prodigy.com (MR GLENN H LANDIS)
>Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:05:26, -0500
>
>I just got back from the 70th Annual Kolb/Kulp/Culp Family
>Reunion at the New Goschenhoppen UCC Church. ...
>President Ned Kulp greeted a crowd of about one hundred and
>we shared good Pennsylvania Dutch food and family tales and
>pictures. Vice President Brian Moyer awarded prizes for
>oldest and youngest and the greatest distance (California).
>... Isaac Clarence Kulp led devotions and recited scripture
>and led a prayer in Pennsylvania German. He expressed his
>usual disappointment that so few of us were still able to
>speak the dialect of our ancestors ... After the reunion,
>many of us wondered over to the Goschenhoppen Folk Festival.
>They had hundreds of participants showing their skills at
>various crafts. It has been judged one of the most
>authentic of folk festivals in this part of the country.
>Wagon rides for young and old, many good things to eat and
>demonstrations to watch. A very good day.
> Glenn Landis
Are there any folk festivals in NC that we could merge with
or could we add some of this festival type stuff? Perhaps
we need a more complete report of the folk festival.
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home:803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/9389
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
Subj: Re: Adam Bolch sewing gold into shoes
To: Adrian@prodigy.net
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) CBGILBERT@aol.com writes
:>Hi James, Welcome to the group. The story you've heard about Adam putting gold in the family member shoes is one that every group of Bolicks, Bolches, Balches, etc., tells so it could be deduced that this is a true story. I've not seen the story repeated in either of the books you mentioned but it was told in an old Maiden, NC newspaper article on the Bolicks and in several other family articles. I can't imagine where I saw the story! I knew of it before I went to the Adam Bolch reunion.
Has anyone else been to that reunion? I have only been once & that was about 5 years ago. The owner of Wes Bolick Waterbeds was president. They had a big turn out.They had clogging kids, a country band & lots of food. It was in a church (just north of Hickory) in Alexander Co NC. I am a what we call a Double Bolick. My father's family is from the Bolick family in Maiden, NC and my mother is also a direct descendant of one of the other sons of Adam and Christina Bolch. I have been working on the family line for several years, carrying on the work that my mother started years ago. My 11 year old son is now working on the line for his Boy Scout Genealogy badge. Good. The BSA did not have that badge when I was in the BSA. There are many wonderful people working on this line via the internet.Is there no Bolick list? It is a little trouble to hit "reply" to your letter, then copy the letter to the buffer then hit "reply to all" to one of Adrian's letters to get the addresses, then clearing his message & pasting your message in its place. Where does your Bolick ancestor come in on the line? I too have two, to wit:
<grin me: James Green III b.1949 Savannah GAmom: Essie I. Broom b.1913 Lancaster Co SCgrand: Julia E. Killian b.1882 Chester Co SCgt: Sidney E. Killian b.1852 Hickory NC2 gt: Elijah KILLIAN b.1824 m. Malinda BOLICK
Both Elijah & Malinda are BOLICK descendants as follows:Elijah Regina BOLICK b.1805 Casper BOLCH b.1756 Adam BOLCH Malinda Godfrey BOLICK Jr.b.1805 Godfrey BOLCH Sr. Adam BOLCH
Does anyone know where any of these are buried. They don't feel real until I see their land & graves. Who has the family Bibles that can make xeroxes for us? Mine are through Sebastian and Casper. Are we from the same child of Casper?Anyone in SAR/DAR on Casper?Who of you all is closest kin to me or to put it another way,what is the Bolick lineages of each of you in the header? I look forward to hearing from you again. Cynthia>
Likewise, all. My Catawba County NC ancestral surnames are: Killian, Hager, Bolch, Diehl, Traffenstadt, Probst, Cline,Dietz & in Cabarrus Co NC Klein & Shuffert.--James W. Green III / Rt.5, Box 720 / Winnsboro SC 29180 CSAhome:803-635-9236
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